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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi/ObamaCare Passes House UPDATE DOA in Senate?</title>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I've got polls and stuff. 

And I think they call knowing a lot more Republicans than Democrats keeping good company ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve got polls and stuff. </p>
<p>And I think they call knowing a lot more Republicans than Democrats keeping good company <img src='http://SUNVERSUSWIND.COM/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
		<link>http://SUNVERSUSWIND.COM/?p=708#comment-1132</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think we just have to agree to disagree on this one and hope that it doesn't turn out badly. 

I'm sure you have a statistic somewhere that says people are happy with what they have, but it's not been my experience that people are happy. Maybe it's just a local thing, but I know lots of unhappy people and since I know a lot more Republicans than Democrats it's not a party thing. Now, most of those same people don't want this...but they don't think we have a good system. 

I guess we'll see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think we just have to agree to disagree on this one and hope that it doesn&#8217;t turn out badly. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you have a statistic somewhere that says people are happy with what they have, but it&#8217;s not been my experience that people are happy. Maybe it&#8217;s just a local thing, but I know lots of unhappy people and since I know a lot more Republicans than Democrats it&#8217;s not a party thing. Now, most of those same people don&#8217;t want this&#8230;but they don&#8217;t think we have a good system. </p>
<p>I guess we&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, it'll pass the Senate. No way is the WH going to get this far only to suffer a huge defeat there. May not be the House bill per se, but something will be signed by Obama.

I disagree somewhat on the idea this is an emergency. There are problems to be sure, and lots of horror stories, but most like their coverage and the care they receive. Last Tuesday's exit polling showed that health care wasn't the primary concern of voters, and I'm fairly certain that is the case on a national level too. Maybe I'm just being a cynic, but they're hurrying not out of overt concern for their fellow man but to institute the biggest expansion of the fed since the New Deal while they can. Its political. The more the Dems can do that, the more the GOP has to play on their field. And there is no going back...voters get used to the gov't providing health care, they'll look for it to provide other stuff too, and you'll have both parties fight each other over who will give 'em the most, fiscal consequences and otherwise be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it&#8217;ll pass the Senate. No way is the WH going to get this far only to suffer a huge defeat there. May not be the House bill per se, but something will be signed by Obama.</p>
<p>I disagree somewhat on the idea this is an emergency. There are problems to be sure, and lots of horror stories, but most like their coverage and the care they receive. Last Tuesday&#8217;s exit polling showed that health care wasn&#8217;t the primary concern of voters, and I&#8217;m fairly certain that is the case on a national level too. Maybe I&#8217;m just being a cynic, but they&#8217;re hurrying not out of overt concern for their fellow man but to institute the biggest expansion of the fed since the New Deal while they can. Its political. The more the Dems can do that, the more the GOP has to play on their field. And there is no going back&#8230;voters get used to the gov&#8217;t providing health care, they&#8217;ll look for it to provide other stuff too, and you&#8217;ll have both parties fight each other over who will give &#8216;em the most, fiscal consequences and otherwise be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not take your time and get it right instead of just passing something that won't be good in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not take your time and get it right instead of just passing something that won&#8217;t be good in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm skeptical, but I understand why they are in a hurry. 

Who knows, it may not pass the Senate and then it won't matter. 

I know that something isn't always better than nothing, but how long would this have continued before something was done? How bad does it have to get before someone steps in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m skeptical, but I understand why they are in a hurry. </p>
<p>Who knows, it may not pass the Senate and then it won&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>I know that something isn&#8217;t always better than nothing, but how long would this have continued before something was done? How bad does it have to get before someone steps in?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://SUNVERSUSWIND.COM/?p=708#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever seen where the government saved money on anything ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone ever seen where the government saved money on anything ?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect, I vehemently disagree with the notion that something is better than nothing. If this is such an emergency, why not implement it immediately rather than wait a few years? From what I understand it wouldn't start paying benefits until 2013, or 2016 with the House bill. If it is true that it won't explode the deficit, why does the Senate plan use 10 years of new taxes to finance only 7 years of the program (and just 6 in the House bill)? If they're so concerned about affordability, why didn't they include caps on malpractice awards and the ability to sell across state lines?

Sorry, but I don't think this is about providing affordable, quality health care. This is about taking over 1/6th of the economy and ensuring that more and more of the middle class are dependent on the government. The more that are, the more votes Democrats can depend on in the future. 

I understand that you're a lot more trusting of their motives than I, but they've provided plenty of reasons for skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect, I vehemently disagree with the notion that something is better than nothing. If this is such an emergency, why not implement it immediately rather than wait a few years? From what I understand it wouldn&#8217;t start paying benefits until 2013, or 2016 with the House bill. If it is true that it won&#8217;t explode the deficit, why does the Senate plan use 10 years of new taxes to finance only 7 years of the program (and just 6 in the House bill)? If they&#8217;re so concerned about affordability, why didn&#8217;t they include caps on malpractice awards and the ability to sell across state lines?</p>
<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t think this is about providing affordable, quality health care. This is about taking over 1/6th of the economy and ensuring that more and more of the middle class are dependent on the government. The more that are, the more votes Democrats can depend on in the future. </p>
<p>I understand that you&#8217;re a lot more trusting of their motives than I, but they&#8217;ve provided plenty of reasons for skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad it passed...big shock right?

I'm not sure this is the right answer to the problems we have now, but it's a start. I do believe that affordable, quality healthcare is a right. It falls into that whole "life" and "pursuit of happiness" thing. 

But I've noticed that nothing really happens in this country until people get either really energized or really ticked off. Right now Dems are pretty energized and Pubs are pretty ticked off. So perhaps this will lead to some real reform over the next few years.  

I don't think this will be the end of the world by any means, but I also don't think it will solve the problem. But I hope it gets things moving in the right direction because things are pretty bad and no one was making any moves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad it passed&#8230;big shock right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure this is the right answer to the problems we have now, but it&#8217;s a start. I do believe that affordable, quality healthcare is a right. It falls into that whole &#8220;life&#8221; and &#8220;pursuit of happiness&#8221; thing. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve noticed that nothing really happens in this country until people get either really energized or really ticked off. Right now Dems are pretty energized and Pubs are pretty ticked off. So perhaps this will lead to some real reform over the next few years.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this will be the end of the world by any means, but I also don&#8217;t think it will solve the problem. But I hope it gets things moving in the right direction because things are pretty bad and no one was making any moves.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe. He barely won last year in a strong cycle for Dems, so even with a NO vote he was likely to face a tough re-election. And, since the effects of this garbage won't be felt for a few years, especially since it won't be implemented until after Our Savior runs for re-election in '12 (surely just a coincidence, haha), I think its far more likely Dem fortunes will rest on where unemployment is. If it is still around 10% or so for the midterms-and more and more economists think it will be-Dems are going to be in a lot of trouble.

Besides that, the politics of it are far less important than the far-reaching consequences of such a terrible bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe. He barely won last year in a strong cycle for Dems, so even with a NO vote he was likely to face a tough re-election. And, since the effects of this garbage won&#8217;t be felt for a few years, especially since it won&#8217;t be implemented until after Our Savior runs for re-election in &#8216;12 (surely just a coincidence, haha), I think its far more likely Dem fortunes will rest on where unemployment is. If it is still around 10% or so for the midterms-and more and more economists think it will be-Dems are going to be in a lot of trouble.</p>
<p>Besides that, the politics of it are far less important than the far-reaching consequences of such a terrible bill.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Perriello is toast the town hall meetings were no more that a hoax. Tom was going to vote the way Pelosi wanted him to all along. Tom Perriello here is a fair warning get ready to look for a new job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Perriello is toast the town hall meetings were no more that a hoax. Tom was going to vote the way Pelosi wanted him to all along. Tom Perriello here is a fair warning get ready to look for a new job.</p>
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